Path: news.net.uni-c.dk!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 From: "Terry Austin" Newsgroups: comp.lang.basic.visual.database,comp.lang.basic.visual.misc,comp.lang.beta,comp.lang.c Subject: Re: WARNING! My OE removed the attachment as being unsafe Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:07:29 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 80 Message-ID: References: <3C8435F2.4ED2879A@attglobal.net> <3c851cb0_2@news.iprimus.com.au> <3c853c75.13087585@news1.rdc1.nsw.optushome.com.au> <3c860e75.66855528@news1.rdc1.nsw.optushome.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-193.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Xref: news.net.uni-c.dk comp.lang.basic.visual.database:119678 comp.lang.basic.visual.misc:516584 comp.lang.beta:13146 comp.lang.c:585054 "Frank Adam" wrote in message news:3c860e75.66855528@news1.rdc1.nsw.optushome.com.au... > On Tue, 05 Mar 2002 20:08:07 -0800, Terry Austin > wrote: > > >>>> There is no such thing as "high security", or any real security at > >>>> all, when using Outlook Express to read mail or usenet. > >>>Bullshit. > >>How many security patches (per release) does it take to change your > >>opinion on that ? > >I use OE at work. Never had a problem. Not even with the viruses that run in > >the preview pane, or even the one that runs as it's being downloaded. > > > Good for you. Not so good for the milions who did have problems. > It's a simple exercise to get online and look around on what the > security and virus companies say about OE.. These would be companies who profit directly, and greatly, from making people believe that OE (and other apps, and everything else) is unsafe. Yeah, they're impartial. > > >You do have to keep up with critical updates. But you have to do that with > >Windows anyway. The important ones all show up on the WindowsUpdate list. > > > Exactly, and what a nice long list it is too. And trivial to keep up with. > Unless you (or MS) can guarantee to me that this was *the* patch, the > patch and nothing but the last patch.... i'll stay wary and away from > it. Then you should stay wary and away from *all* email clients, operating systems, and all other computer software, because *nothing* can make that guarantee. > > >Once you've got the correct settings, it's as secure as any other mail > >client, provided you keep the patches current. And if you don't, no mail > >client is secure, because Windows is not secure. > > > It's not ? Damn, but i have installed all the patches for it ! The point remains. Windows is no more secure than OE, and yet you use that, and program for it. And the process of keep Windows secure is the process of keeping OE secure. > > >You do program in Visual Basic, no? A Windows only platform for all intents > >and purposes? > > > A platform is simply something my app has to run on, i don't have to > have an effection for it. Windows has some good features and i do use > it. However, i'm using it with the knowledge that it has problems, > which is more than we can say for the vast majority of users out > there. The exact same thing can be said of OE. And more to the point, the process of keeping Windows secure is the same process to keep OE secure. If you don't do one, you don't do the other. And if you don't keep Windows secure, it doesn't matter what mail client you use. They're *all* insecure at that point. Especially MAPI clients. > 20 odd years back i had a car like this. It was a Hunter station > wagon, very good to get laid in, but i've spent every second weekend > laying under it as well. I did like the car, but it still sucked > under the bonnet. :) > The car, however, needed work in addition to work to keep the garage from falling in on it. If repairing the garage had keep the car in good running condition, it would have been a different story, especially if you weren't allowed to own the car unless you keep the garage in good repair. Terry Austin