Path: news.net.uni-c.dk!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.tele.dk!195.224.53.60!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!cygnus.co.uk!not-for-mail From: aph@redhat.invalid Newsgroups: comp.ai.neural-nets,comp.lang.apl,comp.lang.awk,comp.lang.beta,comp.lang.cobol,comp.lang.dylan,comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: Einstein's Riddle Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:50:38 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Red Hat UK Lines: 18 Sender: Andrew Haley Message-ID: <995gtd$ree$1@localhost.localdomain> References: <3AACE6CF.7F05484D@ieee.org> <0W8r6.178$fo5.14165@news.get2net.dk> <3AAD60F3.120F284A@ieee.org> <3AAE371A.2F9F596F@brazee.net> <98m43a$fe2$1@localhost.localdomain> <3AAFB378.AB166E8C@ieee.org> <98q3f1$bid$1@localhost.localdomain> <3AB0DFC6.FC100A64@ieee.org> <98sq19$ton$1@localhost.localdomain> <3AB61B58.CF536ECA@brazee.net> <3AB6273D.E6C18536@ix.netcom.com> <995csm$qhf$1@localhost.localdomain> <3AB63AD4.390A1F59@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host162.cambridge.redhat.com X-Trace: localhost.localdomain 985024238 28110 172.16.18.162 (19 Mar 2001 17:50:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@localhost.localdomain NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:50:38 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.4.4-20000803 ("Vet for the Insane") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.17-14 (i686)) Xref: news.net.uni-c.dk comp.ai.neural-nets:67646 comp.lang.apl:29466 comp.lang.awk:17259 comp.lang.beta:12801 comp.lang.cobol:102927 comp.lang.dylan:24235 comp.lang.forth:78694 In comp.lang.forth J Thomas wrote: : aph@redhat.invalid wrote: :> It's easy for a computer realistically to mimic deranged people: :> Parry, for example. But the examiner wouldn't believe the program :> was intelligent. How would that be a pass? : Did I misunderstand the test? I thought it was a pass if the examiner : couldn't tell the conversation was with a human. I didn't see asnything : there about rating how smart the human was. In which case, reductio ad absurdum, a human who couldn't type and a computer that was switched off would be indistinguishable, so the computer would pass the Turing test. Clearly this wasn't Turing's intent, and both the computer and the human being must appear to be intelligent. Both failing isn't enough. Andrew.