Path: news.net.uni-c.dk!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: J Thomas Newsgroups: comp.ai.neural-nets,comp.lang.apl,comp.lang.awk,comp.lang.beta,comp.lang.cobol,comp.lang.dylan,comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: Einstein's Riddle Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:59:00 -0600 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3AB63AD4.390A1F59@ix.netcom.com> References: <3AACB567.A59B8497@Azonic.co.nz> <3AACE6CF.7F05484D@ieee.org> <0W8r6.178$fo5.14165@news.get2net.dk> <3AAD60F3.120F284A@ieee.org> <3AAE371A.2F9F596F@brazee.net> <98m43a$fe2$1@localhost.localdomain> <3AAFB378.AB166E8C@ieee.org> <98q3f1$bid$1@localhost.localdomain> <3AB0DFC6.FC100A64@ieee.org> <98sq19$ton$1@localhost.localdomain> <3AB61B58.CF536ECA@brazee.net> <3AB6273D.E6C18536@ix.netcom.com> <995csm$qhf$1@localhost.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.27.04.17 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 19 Mar 2001 16:58:40 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news.net.uni-c.dk comp.ai.neural-nets:67644 comp.lang.apl:29463 comp.lang.awk:17257 comp.lang.beta:12799 comp.lang.cobol:102922 comp.lang.dylan:24233 comp.lang.forth:78690 aph@redhat.invalid wrote: > J Thomas wrote: > : Incidentally, I've seen some slight evidence that to pass the > : Turing test it helps to have the program simulate some sort of > : raving bigot. > It's easy for a computer realistically to mimic deranged people: > Parry, for example. But the examiner wouldn't believe the program > was intelligent. How would that be a pass? Did I misunderstand the test? I thought it was a pass if the examiner couldn't tell the conversation was with a human. I didn't see asnything there about rating how smart the human was. > : So apart from the philosophical pooint that it probably isn't > : workable to say "intelligence is whatever humans do and not what > : anything else does" > That would be an unintelligent point to make, which is presumably why > no-one has made it! Since I thought the test measured how well the program could pass for human, naturally I thought the assumption was that human = intelligent.