Path: news.net.uni-c.dk!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!freenix!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Leonard Zettel Newsgroups: comp.ai.neural-nets,comp.lang.apl,comp.lang.awk,comp.lang.beta,comp.lang.cobol,comp.lang.dylan,comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: Einstein's Riddle Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:07:25 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3AB2808D.B1EB811D@acm.org> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3AACB567.A59B8497@Azonic.co.nz> <3AACE6CF.7F05484D@ieee.org> <0W8r6.178$fo5.14165@news.get2net.dk> <3AAD60F3.120F284A@ieee.org> <3AAE371A.2F9F596F@brazee.net> <98m43a$fe2$1@localhost.localdomain> <3AAFB378.AB166E8C@ieee.org> <98q3f1$bid$1@localhost.localdomain> <3AB0DFC6.FC100A64@ieee.org> <98sq19$ton$1@localhost.localdomain> <3AB27956.322CD768@ieee.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 28 Xref: news.net.uni-c.dk comp.ai.neural-nets:67613 comp.lang.apl:29434 comp.lang.awk:17218 comp.lang.beta:12786 comp.lang.cobol:102772 comp.lang.dylan:24209 comp.lang.forth:78643 Jerry Avins wrote: > > OK, then; lets raise the bar. Consider a machine that recognizes > entities and locations that it has encountered before. This entity has > "attachments" to certain others of its kind, and acts to promote their > welfare. It anticipates certain "dangers" and acts to avoid them and to > help "attached" entities to avoid them by communicating with them in > some way. It is capable of acquiring new data, and can plan future > action to maximize "good" and minimize "danger", despite random > environmental variation. With my raised bar, no entity without this > arbitrary set of behaviors will be considered intelligent. (I believe > that you would find it acceptable to ascribe intelligence to an entity > with such a set of behaviors.) A chimpanzee, while it fits that > description, couldn't pass Turing's test. Where does that leave us? > Well, for one thing, Turing's test was proposed for *computers*, not evrything. For another, the controversy over whether chimps can use sign language to converse sounds eerily close to a Turing test, if you think about it. -LenZ- > Jerry > -- > Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. > -----------------------------------------------------------------------