Path: news.net.uni-c.dk!sunsite.dk!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.algonet.se!algonet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!cygnus.co.uk!not-for-mail From: aph@redhat.invalid Newsgroups: comp.ai.neural-nets,comp.lang.apl,comp.lang.awk,comp.lang.beta,comp.lang.cobol,comp.lang.dylan,comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: Einstein's Riddle Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:31:05 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Red Hat UK Lines: 19 Message-ID: <98sq19$ton$1@localhost.localdomain> References: <3AACB567.A59B8497@Azonic.co.nz> <3AACE6CF.7F05484D@ieee.org> <0W8r6.178$fo5.14165@news.get2net.dk> <3AAD60F3.120F284A@ieee.org> <3AAE371A.2F9F596F@brazee.net> <98m43a$fe2$1@localhost.localdomain> <3AAFB378.AB166E8C@ieee.org> <98q3f1$bid$1@localhost.localdomain> <3AB0DFC6.FC100A64@ieee.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: viagra.cambridge.redhat.com X-Trace: localhost.localdomain 984738665 30487 172.16.18.77 (16 Mar 2001 10:31:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@localhost.localdomain NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:31:05 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.4.4-20000803 ("Vet for the Insane") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.16-22 (i686)) Xref: news.net.uni-c.dk comp.ai.neural-nets:67608 comp.lang.apl:29430 comp.lang.awk:17211 comp.lang.beta:12783 comp.lang.cobol:102751 comp.lang.dylan:24207 comp.lang.forth:78631 In comp.lang.forth Jerry Avins wrote: : Andrew, : My point was that I would be ready to label "intelligent" something that : couldn't pass Turing's test. Sure, you could label a teapot intelligent if you wanted but no-one would have to agree. The magic of Turing's test is that they would agree. : As with most dichotomies, there are cases that make it easy to say : "This is one" or "This is not", but there are hard cases near the : border that are difficult to decide. But that is not an issue with the problem itself, but with your personal definition of intelligence. By lowering the bar you create the dichotomy. Andrew.