Path: news.net.uni-c.dk!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Jerry Avins Newsgroups: comp.ai.neural-nets,comp.lang.apl,comp.lang.awk,comp.lang.beta,comp.lang.cobol,comp.lang.dylan,comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: Einstein's Riddle Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:29:10 -0500 Organization: The Hectic Eclectic Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3AB0DFC6.FC100A64@ieee.org> References: <3AACB567.A59B8497@Azonic.co.nz> <3AACE6CF.7F05484D@ieee.org> <0W8r6.178$fo5.14165@news.get2net.dk> <3AAD60F3.120F284A@ieee.org> <3AAE371A.2F9F596F@brazee.net> <98m43a$fe2$1@localhost.localdomain> <3AAFB378.AB166E8C@ieee.org> <98q3f1$bid$1@localhost.localdomain> Reply-To: jya@ieee.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZc8AMdKXWV/vptki0n97aI0GqF/0gsH5iHX+msnJfuVYj3QTcb0XO7 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Mar 2001 15:29:23 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news.net.uni-c.dk comp.ai.neural-nets:67604 comp.lang.apl:29424 comp.lang.awk:17202 comp.lang.beta:12782 comp.lang.cobol:102722 comp.lang.dylan:24206 comp.lang.forth:78619 Andrew, My point was that I would be ready to label "intelligent" something that couldn't pass Turing's test. As with most dichotomies, there are cases that make it easy to say "This is one" or "This is not", but there are hard cases near the border that are difficult to decide. Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- aph@redhat.invalid wrote: > > In comp.lang.forth Jerry Avins wrote: > > : I submit that the Turing test asks for too much; it is sufficient, but > : not necessary. > > I don't think that Turing (or anyone else) ever said that it was. > Just that it was enough; anything that can pass a Turing test is > intelligent, man or machine. > > Andrew.