Path: news.net.uni-c.dk!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Geoff Summerhayes" Newsgroups: comp.ai.neural-nets,comp.lang.apl,comp.lang.awk,comp.lang.beta,comp.lang.cobol,comp.lang.dylan,comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: Einstein's Riddle Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:11:44 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3AACB567.A59B8497@Azonic.co.nz> <3AACE6CF.7F05484D@ieee.org> <0W8r6.178$fo5.14165@news.get2net.dk> <3AAD60F3.120F284A@ieee.org> <3AAE371A.2F9F596F@brazee.net> <98m43a$fe2$1@localhost.localdomain> <3AAEAD1A.BCDE11DB@ix.netcom.com> <98mugg$2mj$1@news.igs.net> <3AAF13CA.C7EA3113@ix.netcom.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 40 Xref: news.net.uni-c.dk comp.ai.neural-nets:67583 comp.lang.apl:29403 comp.lang.awk:17169 comp.lang.beta:12768 comp.lang.cobol:102661 comp.lang.dylan:24189 comp.lang.forth:78588 "J Thomas" wrote in message news:3AAF13CA.C7EA3113@ix.netcom.com... > donald tees wrote: > > "J Thomas" wrote in message > > > aph@redhat.invalid wrote: > > > > In comp.lang.forth Howard Brazee wrote: > > > > > : But the trouble with defining whether or not we have AI is that > > > > : there is no solid arrival point. > > > > > Sure there is: the Turing Test [1]. That's why it was invented. > > > > But the Turing Test only checks whether the program can imitate the > > > particular forms of stupidity common to human beings. It doesn't > > > work as an intelligence test. > > > Sure it does. > > If you're doing the Turing Test, and you ask what is > > 1355693147 * 25190678237 > > and you get a quick correct answer, you can conclude that it probably > isn't human. > > One thing needed to pass the Turing Test is to make the kind of logic > mistakes that humans make. IIRC, Turing's example of a conversation in the original proposal actually uses a math example and the computer gives the wrong answer. The AI field seems to have changed over the years, instead of promising the holy grail and failing to achieve it, now it seems to be more sedate, figuring out what it can achieve in a short time, then altering the definition of AI to match it. Geoff