Path: news.net.uni-c.dk!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: J Thomas Newsgroups: comp.ai.neural-nets,comp.lang.apl,comp.lang.awk,comp.lang.beta,comp.lang.cobol,comp.lang.dylan,comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: Einstein's Riddle Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:09:23 -0600 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3AAF97B3.A7C7B34D@ix.netcom.com> References: <3AACB567.A59B8497@Azonic.co.nz> <3AACE6CF.7F05484D@ieee.org> <0W8r6.178$fo5.14165@news.get2net.dk> <3AAD60F3.120F284A@ieee.org> <3AAE371A.2F9F596F@brazee.net> <98m43a$fe2$1@localhost.localdomain> <3AAEAD1A.BCDE11DB@ix.netcom.com> <98mugg$2mj$1@news.igs.net> <3AAF13CA.C7EA3113@ix.netcom.com> <98nlos$d2n$1@news.igs.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.27.04.45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 14 Mar 2001 16:10:40 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news.net.uni-c.dk comp.ai.neural-nets:67582 comp.lang.apl:29402 comp.lang.awk:17168 comp.lang.beta:12767 comp.lang.cobol:102660 comp.lang.dylan:24188 comp.lang.forth:78587 donald tees wrote: > I think you have a weird idea of the Turing test. It says nothing > about mistakes, or about speed of calculations ... that is you > deciding how you would try to implement a Turing test. About how I would tell the difference. If extended conversation reveals inhuman capability, then chances are the other isn't human. So if you ask them to name three mass murderers and they can't think of three, that looks like they're uninformed about human history. But if you ask them for fifty names and they give you fifty as fast as a human could type them, with no duplicates, that doesn't look human either. I say you aren't measuring intelligence if answering too well is failure. > The Turing test states that if you cannot tell the difference after > an extended conversation, then there is no difference. There is a lot > more subtly to that than speed of speech. Saying there is no difference unless you can tell the difference is a fallacy. If you tell your wife that unless she finds out it didn't happen, that what she doesn't know won't hurt her, she probably will disagree.