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donald tees wrote:

> > But the Turing Test only checks whether the program can imitate the
> > particular forms of stupidity common to human beings.  It doesn't work
> > as an intelligence test.
>
> Sure it does.  If you take that line, then the only logical endpoint is that
> there is no such thing as intelligence (which may be true).

Only if you define "intelligence" as "human like".  It may take some AI to
emulate a person, but there are much better tests.


               1 a (1) : the ability to learn or understand or to deal
               with new or trying situations : REASON; also : the
               skilled use of reason (2) : the ability to apply
               knowledge to manipulate one's environment or to
               think abstractly as measured by objective criteria (as
               tests) b Christian Science : the basic eternal quality
               of divine Mind c : mental acuteness : SHREWDNESS
               2 a : an intelligent entity; especially : ANGEL b :
               intelligent minds or mind <cosmic intelligence>
               3 : the act of understanding : COMPREHENSION
               4 a : INFORMATION, NEWS b : information
               concerning an enemy or possible enemy or an area;
               also : an agency engaged in obtaining such
               information
               5 : the ability to perform computer functions

Well, #5 is easy.  Most computers can do this.  #1 requires that a program learn
from its mistakes.   Programs have been written to do this.   The intelligence
level can be very low - but it is still there.

So AI exists.   And as computing gets better, there will be some things which
the computer's AI does better than human NI.  (I just made up "NI", I don't know
if it has been used elsewhere).  There is no measurable goal which says we have
arrived.