Path: news.net.uni-c.dk!newsfeeds.net.uni-c.dk!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.colorado.edu!not-for-mail From: Howard Brazee Newsgroups: comp.ai.neural-nets,comp.lang.apl,comp.lang.awk,comp.lang.beta,comp.lang.cobol,comp.lang.dylan,comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: Einstein's Riddle Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 07:16:28 -0700 Organization: UCB Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3AAF7D3B.C4C7F094@brazee.net> References: <3AACB567.A59B8497@Azonic.co.nz> <3AACE6CF.7F05484D@ieee.org> <0W8r6.178$fo5.14165@news.get2net.dk> <3AAD60F3.120F284A@ieee.org> <3AAE371A.2F9F596F@brazee.net> <98m43a$fe2$1@localhost.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: brazee.cusys.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: peabody.colorado.edu 984579390 13920 204.228.68.77 (14 Mar 2001 14:16:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@colorado.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Mar 2001 14:16:30 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news.net.uni-c.dk comp.ai.neural-nets:67576 comp.lang.apl:29396 comp.lang.awk:17162 comp.lang.beta:12762 comp.lang.cobol:102647 comp.lang.dylan:24183 comp.lang.forth:78579 aph@redhat.invalid wrote: > : But the trouble with defining whether or not we have AI is that > : there is no solid arrival point. > > Sure there is: the Turing Test [1]. That's why it was invented. > > This has been a solved problem since 1950. > > Andrew. The Turing Test varies from person to person, and isn't about intelligence so much as about emulating a person. We really want AI to do things which people can't do (or at least what most people don't do). To me, a prime condition of intelligence is the ability to learn to do things better the next time. The Turing Test doesn't test this. But there is intelligence at levels different from human intelligence. My bird can figure things out, but she would fail the Turing test. She still has intelligence.