Path: news.net.uni-c.dk!newsfeeds.net.uni-c.dk!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.colorado.edu!not-for-mail From: Howard Brazee Newsgroups: comp.ai.neural-nets,comp.lang.apl,comp.lang.awk,comp.lang.beta,comp.lang.cobol,comp.lang.dylan,comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: Einstein's Riddle Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:04:58 -0700 Organization: UCB Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3AAE371A.2F9F596F@brazee.net> References: <3AACB567.A59B8497@Azonic.co.nz> <3AACE6CF.7F05484D@ieee.org> <0W8r6.178$fo5.14165@news.get2net.dk> <3AAD60F3.120F284A@ieee.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: brazee.cusys.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: peabody.colorado.edu 984495900 1195 204.228.68.77 (13 Mar 2001 15:05:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@colorado.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Mar 2001 15:05:00 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news.net.uni-c.dk comp.ai.neural-nets:67544 comp.lang.apl:29376 comp.lang.awk:17131 comp.lang.beta:12745 comp.lang.cobol:102565 comp.lang.dylan:24164 comp.lang.forth:78536 Jerry Avins wrote: > That would require bringing to bear a great deal of artificial > intelligence. Ninety-nine percent of the world, me included, doesn't > know how to do that. Indeed, the first programmer (who will likely also > be an engineer) who creates a sound embodiment of artificial stupidity > will probably be awarded a Nobel Prize. ö¿ö I've seen plenty of artificial stupidity already. But the trouble with defining whether or not we have AI is that there is no solid arrival point. We can judge whether a computer appears to act like a person, but intelligence can be many different things without that. It is basically problem solving. Lots of problems can be solved via computers, lots cannot. At what level do we say we have the first AI? I suppose we have had it for a long time. And we are gradually incrementing the intelligence level to new levels. Some people were upset when a computer beat the World Chess champion. But computers could long beat 99% of the population. And bicycles could long beat 100% of the population. Just because intelligence is specialized doesn't mean it doesn't exist.