Path: news.daimi.aau.dk!news.uni-c.dk!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!seunet!news2.swip.net!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bytesmiths@aol.com (Bytesmiths) Newsgroups: comp.object,comp.lang.beta,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.python,comp.lang.sather,comp.lang.smalltalk Subject: Re: Rapid Prototyping + statically-typed OOPLs? Date: 25 Jul 1995 01:31:45 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 34 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3v1vk1$bjp@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: bytesmiths@aol.com (Bytesmiths) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Xref: news.daimi.aau.dk comp.object:34031 comp.lang.beta:486 comp.lang.c++:131081 comp.lang.eiffel:9637 comp.lang.python:5185 comp.lang.sather:2017 comp.lang.smalltalk:24820 Ian.Mitchell@sunderland.ac.uk (Ian Mitchell) >In article <3ue9o1$q6t@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> johnson@sal.cs.uiuc.edu (Ralph Johnson) writes: >>Ian.Mitchell@sunderland.ac.uk (Ian Mitchell) writes: >>>One advantage to using C++ in prototyping is the terseness >>>of the language... >>"Terseness of the language"???? Programs in C++ are three >>times the size of the same programs in Smalltalk... >I think there is some confusion here as to my use of the >word "terseness"... a terse language is a language with very few >keywords (C has 32, C++ has about 48). >(In actual fact, the relatively large size of C++ programs could >be viewed as a *function* of this terseness...) Sorry, I don't follow the "actual fact" part. Smalltalk has only five (5, count 'em, 5) keywords, and so by your definitions is nearly ten times as "terse" as C++, yet the size of Smalltalk programs are (according to Ralph, which is born out in my experience) 1/3 the size of comparable C++ programs. I don't mean to turn this into a Smalltalk/C++ shouting match; I merely wanted to point out that by your definition of "terse," Smalltalk makes C++ look incredibly verbose! Jan Jan Steinman Barbara Yates 2002 Parkside Ct., West Linn, OR 97068, USA +1 503 657 7703