Path: news.daimi.aau.dk!news.uni-c.dk!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!uunet!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!Dortmund.Germany.EU.net!Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE!polly!wr From: wr@polly.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Wilfried Rupflin) Newsgroups: comp.lang.beta Subject: Re: BETA questions Date: 24 Apr 1995 14:27:09 GMT Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany Lines: 50 Sender: wr@polly (Wilfried Rupflin) Distribution: world Message-ID: <3ngcfu$u0@fbi-news.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> References: <3n5eht$m2i@fbi-news.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> <3n5foo$m2i@fbi-news.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> <3n6111$4lo@pulm1.accessone.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: polly.informatik.uni-dortmund.de In article <3n6111$4lo@pulm1.accessone.com>, Baiss E. Magnusson writes: |> > |> >I am one of those students who was forced to learn BETA and |> >had to cope with severe flaws of BETA resp. the Mjoelnir BETA Compiler |> : |> > |> >- BETA-programs are very large (> 250k even for a simple "Hello World" |> program) |> > and REALLY slow (see below) |> > |> I must admit that your experience with Beta is not encouraging to one |> who |> has followed its progress for fifteen years and been entranced by its |> syntax. Sorry that due to problems with the gateway (I'm monitoring systematically usergroup@mjolner.dk only) I found Mark Nowiasz's article in comp.lang.beta of 20 Apr 1995 only now by chance. I almost totally disagree with his statements, mainly because they are related to an outdated version (2.5) of the BETA system. Therefore, I want to tell you that my (and not only my) experience with BETA is *very* encouraging! (Hopefully I'll manage to put it right soon.) |> As a software developer who has authored several large commercial |> programs used throughout the world the compiler efficiency certainly |> becomes an important factor . Anything more than 50% worse than current |> C++ implementations would be unacceptable for a commercial developer. |> [...] I agree if you're speaking about overall efficiency delivered to the end user. To this end a smart program logic contributes considerably. So avoiding unnecessary redraws may have an higher impact than some register optimization. Anyway, there is no doubt that the current BETA system could be improved a lot in this respect. Wilfried Rupflin *---------------------------------------------------------------* | Wilfried Rupflin | wr@irb.informatik.uni-dortmund.de | | | ___ | | Universitaet Dortmund | //// | | FB Informatik, IRB | UNI DO// | | Postfach 500 500 | Tel.: +49 231 755 2478 ___ //// | | D-44221 Dortmund 50 | Fax.: +49 231 755 2386 \*\\/// | | Germany | Telex: 822465 unido d \\\\/ | *---------------------------------------------------------------*